Kilsdonk, Norbert Frank

Kilsdonk, Norbert Frank

Male 1921 - 2013  (92 years)

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  1. 1.  Kilsdonk, Norbert FrankKilsdonk, Norbert Frank was born 14 Aug 1921, Little Chute, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA; died 24 Oct 2013, Little Chute, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA; was buried , St. John Catholic Cemetery, Little Chute, Wisconsin, USA.

    Other Events:

    • Address: Norbert Kilsdonk; Address:
      25 St Charles Place
      Little Chute, WI 54140-2256
    • 1930 Census: 1930, Little Chute, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA; ED 41, page 01b
    • Education - High School: 1939, Little Chute, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA
    • 1940 Census: 1940, Little Chute, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA
    • Military Service: Between 1942 and 1946; WWII, US Army
    • WWII Army Enlistment Records: 15 Mar 1943
    • Occupation: Bef 1959; Kilsdonk RADIO & TV service
    • Occupation: Between 1959 and 1982; Postmaster of Little Chute
    • Obituary: 26 Oct 2013; Appleton Post Crescent

    Notes:

    1930 Census:
    Listed living with parents Frank age 38, Elizabeth age 35, ? daughter ?, ? Daughter ?, Norbert age 8 Rosella age 6 Geraldine age 2 ?/12

    Education - High School:
    St. John High School Little Chute Class of 1939

    1940 Census:
    Frank Kilsdonk49
    Elizabeth Kilsdonk47
    Henrietta Kilsdonk22
    Verena Kilsdonk20
    Norbert Kilsdonk18
    Rosella Kilsdonk16
    Geraldine Kilsdonk12
    Clestin Kilsdonk5

    WWII Army Enlistment Records:
    Name:Norbert F Kilsdonk
    Birth Year:1921
    Race:White, citizen (White)
    Nativity State or Country:Wisconsin
    State of Residence:Wisconsin

    Enlistment Date:15 Mar 1943
    Enlistment State:Illinois
    Enlistment City:Fort Sheridan
    Branch:No branch assignment
    Branch Code:No branch assignment
    Grade:Private
    Grade Code:Private
    Term of Enlistment:Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
    Component:Reserves - exclusive of Regular Army Reserve and Officers of the Officers Reserve Corps on active duty under the Thomason Act (Officers and Enlisted Men -- O.R.C. and E.R.C., and Nurses-Reserve Status)
    Source:Enlisted Reserve or Medical Administrative Corps (MAC) Officer

    Education:Grammar school
    Civil Occupation:Unskilled occupations in manufacture of paper and pulp
    Height:00
    Weight:135

    Occupation:
    Kilsdonk RADIO & TV service

    Occupation:
    Served as Postmaster of Little Chute from 2/28/1959-1982

    Name:Norbert F Kilsdonk
    Post Office Location:Little Chute, Outagamie, Wisconsin
    Appointment Date:28 Feb 1959
    Volume #:81
    Volume Year Range:1930-1971

    Name:Norbert F Kilsdonk
    Post Office Location:Little Chute, Outagamie, Wisconsin
    Appointment Date:30 Jul 1959
    Volume #:81
    Volume Year Range:1930-1971

    Obituary:
    Norbert F. Kilsdonk, 92, of Little Chute, passed away Thursday, October 24, 2013, surrounded by his family. He was born August 14, 1921, in Little Chute, son of the late Frank and Elizabeth (Ebben) Kilsdonk. Norb married Mary F. Vander Wielen on June 26, 1948, recently celebrating 65 years of marriage together. Norb graduated from St. John Schools and attended St. Norbert College and Illinois Institute of Technology in Chicago. He operated Kilsdonk RADIO & TV service for several years before becoming Postmaster in Little Chute, retiring in 1982. After retirement, Norb volunteered for more than 25 years at the Salvatorian Mission Warehouse in New Holstein. He was a member of St. John Nepomucene Catholic Church, and was very active in many different services there including: a member of the Resurrection Choir, communion distributor, usher and was a Fourth Degree member of the Knights of Columbus, Council 10919. Norb was a past secretary/treasurer of St. John Cemetery, was the editor of "St. John Sesquicentennial" book and co-editor of Little Chute's "One Hundred Years of Progress" book, and was a charter member of the Little Chute Historical Society.
    Norb served in the Army Signal Corps form 1942-1946, serving in England, Normandy, France and Rhineland. He received several citations including: the European African Middle Eastern Theater Ribbon with 3 bronze battle stars, the American Theater Ribbon and a Victory Medal. Norb was a member of the American Legion Jacob Coppus Post #258, Little Chute, the ARRL and the NARFE. He was Ham radio operator W9SBY.
    Norb is survived by his loving wife, Mary; two sons: Frank (Elizabeth) Kilsdonk, Germantown, WI and Tom (Beverly) Kilsdonk, Sunnyvale, CA; eight daughters: Joanne (Dominic) DeLeo, Wellesley, MA, Mary (Paul) Malischke, Madison, WI, Patricia (David) Coles, Pleasant Praire, WI, Susan (John) Danielson, San Antonio, TX, Judy (Mark) Stegman, Littleton, CO, Janet Kilsdonk, Wausau, WI, Betty (Ted) DeMaria, Boulder, CO and Barbara (Nate) Thompson, De Pere, WI; grandchildren: Kristina (Nate) Vack, Kathryn (Joel) Stone, Annina DeLeo, Therese Malischke, Annalise (Jordan) O'Connell, Shaula (Doug) Hutt, David (Daniella) Coles, Dani Stegman, Jacklyn Stegman, Rick Starzinski, Andy Starzinski, Kathryn Thompson and Noah Thompson; great grandchildren: Kaetlyn, Logan, Liliana and Ada Hutt and Cora and Rosemary Vack; sisters and brothers-in-law: Beth Kilsdonk, Joe Van Grinsven, Ruth Vander Wielen, Henry and Pearl Vander Wielen, Ron and Dorothy Thyssen, Mary Ann Porto; and numerous nieces, nephews, cousins and friends.
    Norb was preceded in death by his parents; sisters: Henriette Lenz, Verena Ritchie, Geraldine Maertz and Rose Knight; brothers: Florian and Les Kilsdonk; brothers-in-law: Edward Knight, Oswald Ritchie, Gearald Maertz, Kenneth Lenz, Joseph Vander Wielen, Ray Rietveld and Ari Rietveld; sisters-in-law: Anna Rietveld, Fran Van Grinsven and Therese Rietveld.
    Funeral services will be held at 4:00 p.m. Monday, October 28, 2013, at St. John Nepomucene Catholic Church, 323 S. Pine Street, Little Chute, with Fr. Ron Belitz officiating. Full military honors will be performed by the American Legion Jacob Coppus Post #258. Interment will be in St. John Cemetery, Little Chute. Visitation will be at the church on Monday from 2:00 p.m. until the time of the Mass. In lieu of flowers, a memorial has been established for the Salvatorian Mission Warehouse in New Holstein.
    Published in Appleton Post-Crescent from Oct. 26 to Oct. 27, 2013

    Norbert married VanderWielen, Mary 26 Jun 1948, Holy Name Catholic Church, Kimberly, Wisconsin, USA. Mary (daughter of VanderWielen, Peter and Ruijs, Agnes M.) was born 23 Mar 1924, Kimberly, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA; died 24 Sep 2014, Little Chute, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA; was buried 29 Sep 2014, St. John Catholic Cemetery, Little Chute, Wisconsin, USA. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 2. Kilsdonk, Frank Peter  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    2. 3. Kilsdonk, Joanne Mary  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    3. 4. Kilsdonk, Mary Theresa  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    4. 5. Kilsdonk, Patricia Ann  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. was born 31 Jul 1953, Appleton, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA; died 17 Mar 2018, Kenosha, Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA.
    5. 6. Kilsdonk, Susan Agnes  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    6. 7. Kilsdonk, Judith M.  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    7. 8. Kilsdonk, Janet M.  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    8. 9. Kilsdonk, Betty A.  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    9. 10. Kilsdonk, Thomas Norbert  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    10. 11. Kilsdonk, Barbara  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.


Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Kilsdonk, Frank PeterKilsdonk, Frank Peter Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1)

    Frank married Kelderman, Elizabeth (daughter of Kelderman, Jacob and Bons, Elizabeth) [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 12. Kilsdonk, Kristina Elizabeth  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    2. 13. Kilsdonk, Kathryn Frances  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.

  2. 3.  Kilsdonk, Joanne MaryKilsdonk, Joanne Mary Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1)

    Joanne married Deleo, Domenic [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 14. Deleo, Annina M.  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.

  3. 4.  Kilsdonk, Mary TheresaKilsdonk, Mary Theresa Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1)

    Mary married Malischke, Paul [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 15. Malischke, Therese  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    2. 16. Malischke, Annalise  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.

  4. 5.  Kilsdonk, Patricia AnnKilsdonk, Patricia Ann Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1) was born 31 Jul 1953, Appleton, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA; died 17 Mar 2018, Kenosha, Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA.

    Other Events:

    • Obituary: Kenosha News

    Notes:

    Obituary:
    Kenosha News

    Editor's note: Each Monday, the Kenosha News takes a look at the life of a Kenosha County resident who recently died. We share with you, through the memories of family and friends, a life remembered.
    Pat Coles faced her fears with her faith.
    When she struggled with brain cancer, she didn't live for "what if," she lived in the "now."
    Rather than dwelling on things to come, Pat wrote, "My job is to use the talents given me by God; to glorify Him, and to live the best life I can possibly live."
    "She could smile with her eyes, even when the corners of her mouth were down-turned," said her husband, Dave Coles.
    Taking a stand
    In My Turn columns for the Kenosha News and in online sharings, Pat also took a stand for others with disabilities that might not always be visible on the outside.
    "What I am advocating for is a bit of patience and kindness and thoughtfulness in our everyday interactions."
    "The hope that she had was infectious, and others marveled at how bravely she persevered throughout her illness," sid her sister Mary Malischke.
    Patricia Coles passed away on March 17, after a four-year battle with brain cancer. She was 64.
    Her survivors include her husband, Dave Coles; a daughter Shaula (Douglas) Hutt; a son David Patrick (Daniella) Coles; four grandchildren; siblings Frank (Liz) Kilsdonk; Joann (Dom DeLeo) Kilsdonk; Mary (Paul) Malischke; Judy (Mark) Stegman; Janet Kilsdonk; Sue (John) Danielson; Betty (Ted De Maria) Kilsdonk; Tom (Beverly) Kilsdonk; and Barb (Nate) Thompson.
    Appleton to Ann Arbor
    Pat was born in Appleton to Norbert Francis and Mary Frances Kilsdonk on July 31, 1953, the fourth of ten children and raised in the Dutch community of Little Chute.
    She graduated from St. John's High School in 1971 and from Edgewood College in Madison in 1975 with a Bachelor of Science degree in social studies. She attended graduate programs in counseling at Marquette University in Milwaukee and theology at Trinity International University in Deerfield, Ill.
    Pat met Dave in 1983 at at Marquette. They married Aug. 31, 1984 and settled in Ann Arbor, Mich.
    While homeschooling her children, Pat worked as a proofreader for Servant Publications, and as a kindergarten aide, academic advisor and Bible teacher at Washtenaw Christian Academy in Saline, Mich.
    Recalls Dave, "She loved to bake, especially Dutch specialties during the holidays, such as speculaas, banket, and Dutch apple pie."
    Faith in art
    Pat folded her faith into many of her creative endeavors. She created, and painted sets for Vacation Bible School and for programs at Packard Road Baptist Church in Ann Arbor, including a life-sized backdrop for Da Vinci's "Last Supper."
    Mary says that her sister first discovered her artistic talent while taking a drawing class with her kids at the home school cooperative in Ann Arbor. "She loved it, and continued to teach herself to draw, while interacting informally with some local artists," she said.
    In 2003 Pat went to work as a financial aid administrator at Spring Arbor University.
    A year later, Dave moved to Kenosha for a job opportunity at Naval Station Great Lakes, Ill., and Pat stayed in Ann Arbor while their son, David, finished high school.
    Move to Kenosha
    Rejoining Dave in Kenosha in 2005, Pat went to work in the financial aid department at Carthage College. From 2010 until 2014 she served as director of financial aid at Trinity International University.
    In 2014 Pat began her battle with glioblastoma multiforme brain cancer, a treatable but incurable cancer.
    "Pat was ever hopeful and had brain surgery radiation and chemotherapy," said Mary. "She and Dave even drove to Duke University in North Carolina in a snowstorm to see if she could qualify for an experimental study where they were putting polio vaccine on these tumors."
    Just before her diagnosis, Mary recalls Pat telling her she felt that the Lord was calling her to have a speaking ministry. "Ironically, the tumor was in her speech center," she said.
    Turning to writing
    Pat turned to writing to communicate her struggles in My Turn columns and in blogs for Caring Bridge, an online journal for those who wish to share their health journey with family and friends.
    rom 2015 through 2017 Pat penned seven My Turn columns on topics ranging from the joys of Christmas to her challenges of living with brain cancer. She wrote of "silver linings" including her siblings, her faith, her friends and her physicians.
    This January, Pat declined further treatment for her condition, choosing to let the disease run its course.
    Mary says that to the end, "Pat remained positive, loving and accepting. About a month before she died, she told me, 'When my time comes, I am going to be so happy to see God's face.'"

    Patricia married Coles, David L. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 17. Coles, Shaula  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    2. 18. Coles, David P.  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.

  5. 6.  Kilsdonk, Susan AgnesKilsdonk, Susan Agnes Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1)

    Susan married Danielson, John [Group Sheet]


  6. 7.  Kilsdonk, Judith M.Kilsdonk, Judith M. Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1)

    Judith married Stegman, Mark (son of Stegman, Ralph L. and McDonald, Kathryn) [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 19. Stegman, Dani  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    2. 20. Stegman, Jacklyn  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.

  7. 8.  Kilsdonk, Janet M.Kilsdonk, Janet M. Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1)

    Janet married Starzinski, Gary [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 21. Starzinski, Richard Gary  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    2. 22. Starzinski, Andrew Gary  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.

  8. 9.  Kilsdonk, Betty A.Kilsdonk, Betty A. Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1)

    Betty married Demaria, Ted [Group Sheet]


  9. 10.  Kilsdonk, Thomas NorbertKilsdonk, Thomas Norbert Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1)

    Thomas married Sanford, Beverly [Group Sheet]


  10. 11.  Kilsdonk, BarbaraKilsdonk, Barbara Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (1.Norbert1)

    Barbara married Thompson, Nathan [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 23. Thompson, Kathryn Ann  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    2. 24. Thompson, Noah Nathan  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.


Generation: 3

  1. 12.  Kilsdonk, Kristina ElizabethKilsdonk, Kristina Elizabeth Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (2.Frank2, 1.Norbert1)

    Kristina married Vack, Nathan [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 25. Vack, Cora Elizabeth  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.

  2. 13.  Kilsdonk, Kathryn FrancesKilsdonk, Kathryn Frances Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (2.Frank2, 1.Norbert1)

    Kathryn married Stone, Joel (son of Stone, Jeff and Unknown, UnknownF) [Group Sheet]


  3. 14.  Deleo, Annina M.Deleo, Annina M. Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (3.Joanne2, 1.Norbert1)

  4. 15.  Malischke, ThereseMalischke, Therese Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (4.Mary2, 1.Norbert1)

  5. 16.  Malischke, AnnaliseMalischke, Annalise Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (4.Mary2, 1.Norbert1)

  6. 17.  Coles, ShaulaColes, Shaula Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (5.Patricia2, 1.Norbert1)

    Shaula — Hutt, Douglas. [Group Sheet]

    Children:
    1. 26. Hutt, Kaethynn  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    2. 27. Hutt, Logan  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.
    3. 28. Hutt, Liliana Grace  Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines.

  7. 18.  Coles, David P.Coles, David P. Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (5.Patricia2, 1.Norbert1)

  8. 19.  Stegman, DaniStegman, Dani Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (7.Judith2, 1.Norbert1)

  9. 20.  Stegman, JacklynStegman, Jacklyn Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (7.Judith2, 1.Norbert1)

  10. 21.  Starzinski, Richard GaryStarzinski, Richard Gary Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (8.Janet2, 1.Norbert1)

  11. 22.  Starzinski, Andrew GaryStarzinski, Andrew Gary Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (8.Janet2, 1.Norbert1)

  12. 23.  Thompson, Kathryn AnnThompson, Kathryn Ann Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (11.Barbara2, 1.Norbert1)

  13. 24.  Thompson, Noah NathanThompson, Noah Nathan Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (11.Barbara2, 1.Norbert1)


Generation: 4

  1. 25.  Vack, Cora ElizabethVack, Cora Elizabeth Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (12.Kristina3, 2.Frank2, 1.Norbert1)

  2. 26.  Hutt, KaethynnHutt, Kaethynn Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (17.Shaula3, 5.Patricia2, 1.Norbert1)

  3. 27.  Hutt, LoganHutt, Logan Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (17.Shaula3, 5.Patricia2, 1.Norbert1)

  4. 28.  Hutt, Liliana GraceHutt, Liliana Grace Descendancy chart to this point <br />TIP - Add generatons until last line of report is at 0 to ensure all persons are included. Set width to legal for widest lines. (17.Shaula3, 5.Patricia2, 1.Norbert1)


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